Microsoft NNTP Newsgroups Scheduled for Closure

Summary:

• Microsoft will close NNTP Newsgroups in multiple phases with the complete closure expected by the Fall of 2010
• Microsoft has already begun to post notifications in impacted newsgroups

 

Reference:

• Microsoft Responds to the Evolution of Communities

http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/default.mspx

Additional Information:

• Nttp users will <apparently> be directed to an existing forum (i.e. as best possible and if applicable; a one-to-one relationship may not exist)

“Newsgroup users will be directed to the equivalent forum in the following location for further participation in Microsoft’s online communities.”

http://www.microsoft.com/communities/forums/default.mspx

• Note: Windows Live NTTP newsgroup participants should consider going to the Windows Live Solution Center for support of all Windows Live Essential applications(Mail, Messenger, Photo Gallery, Writer, etc)  and Windows Live services(Live ID, Hotmail, Account, Contact, Calendar etc)

1. Windows Live Solution Center   ——>>  http://windowslivehelp.com
2. FAQS (Frequently Asked Questions about WLSC)
   http://windowslivehelp.com/solution.aspx?solutionid=e2b2292c-2f10-4c7e-8785-e1d898ece45d

• Note:  Optionally, the Annex Cafe  provides a wide variety of moderated nttp forums (free of charge, registration required) including the following newsgroups for Windows Live Mail and Computer Help (all topics)

1. Windows Live Mail

2. Computing and Tech Talk (User2User)

•  See the AnnexCafe Terms of Service (TOS) for specific details on its community guidelines and use

Revisions:

May 12, 2010: Original Publish Date

Jan 28, 2012: Added information on Annex Cafe community and Nntp newsgroup options; Updated Tags

Hotmail and MSN Accounts POP3/SMTP Access

 

Summary:

• Pop3/Smtp configurations settings for Windows Live Mail, Outlook 2003/2007/2010, iPhone, iPod Touch, Vista’s Windows Mail, Outlook Express and third party email clients
• Applicable to Hotmail account types Hotmail.com, Msn.com Live.com, and Outlook.com

Accounts Qualifying/Known to Function:

•  MSN Legacy Pop3(msn.com) Primary Accounts/SubAccounts – Dialup or Bring Your Own ISP(as of 1997)
• Windows Live HotMail Plus  – effective Sept 21, 2007
• All Free Hotmail accounts (e.g. located in the United States, Brazil, United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, France, Japan, Spain, Germany, Italy, Netherlands and Worldwide – staged rollout  Jan through Mar 2009)
• Qwest MSN Premium Accounts (reported by Qwest subscribers in the MSN Newsgroup)
• MSN Premium Accounts(Dial Up, DSL, and BYO ISP) including Sub-Accounts of an MSN Premium primary account
• All Outlook.com accounts

Configuration Settings:

• Incoming Server = pop3.live.com
  -Port 995
  -Encryption/Authentication = SSL is required
  -Full Username = username@xxxx.com (same as full email address, where xxxx.com = live.com, msn.com or hotmail.com )
  -Password is required
  -SPA(secure password authorization) = Off(uncheck this option)
• Outgoing Server = smtp.live.com
  -Port 25 or 587 [Note: Preferred Outgoing is Port 587 instead of Port 25 since many ISP’s blocks Port 25 usage. Similar blocking can occur when using Port 25 in hotels or accessing via a WiFi network/hotspot]
  -Outgoing Server Authentication = On(check the option)-Encryption/Authentication = SSL or TLS
  * Choose SSL for Windows Live Mail, Outlook 2003, iPhone, iPod Touch, Outlook Express and Vista’s Windows Mail
  * Choose TLS/Auto for Outlook 2007/2010 (required)
  -Full Username = username@xxxx.com (same as full email address)
  – unless outgoing server is configured to use same incoming server option
  -Password is required
  – unless outgoing server is configured to use same incoming server option

-> Note: Windows Mail or Outlook may interpret entry of a Hotmail email address(Hotmail.com, Live.com, Msn.com or Outlook.com)
as an attempt to setup an Http(not Pop3) account.
– If so, enter a false email address e.g. mailhot.com and continue to setup the account.
Once the account is setup, edit the account and correct the email address and username

Pop3/Stmp Access Capability Unknown – due to insufficient information:

1. Subscription Based:
   – Msn DSL Partner Accounts(Verizon, Bell) – contact your MSN Partner

Comments for Hotmail accounts(Hotmail.com, Live.com, Msn.com, Outlook.com):

• Pop3 retrieval by design removes messages from the online web user interface’s Inbox. To retain a copy in the online Inbox ensure the email client is configured to leave a copy of the message on the server.
• For Pop3 retrieval, if the local email client is not configured to leave the message on the server, the server will place the original copy of the email in the online Deleted folder.
• The Deleted folder automatically purges messages from the server after 5 days

Additional Information on Hotmail Plus/Hotmail Free accounts:

• Hotmail now offers POP Access for Hotmail Plus users (published Sept 2007)
• How to configure Hotmail for Pop3 in Outlook, Outlook Express, and iPhone  (Hotmail – Help and Support)
• Pop3 Availability For Free Windows Live Hotmail Accounts in the U.S. and Brazil (published Feb 2009)
• POP3 technology has now rolled out to Hotmail customers WORLDWIDE! (published Mar 2009)

Revisions:

Feb 2, 2008: Original Published Date

May 1, 2008:  Updated Accounts Qualifying section

May 2, 2008:    Added  Pop3/Stmp Access Capability Unknown section

May 24, 2008:  Windows Live Tags Added

Nov 9, 2008: Added ‘Note’ about use of Port 587 under section ‘Configuration Settings/Outgoing Server’

Nov 19, 2008: Added info on Pop3 access for free Hotmail accounts(early 2009) and Press Kit Fact Sheet(link)

Feb 15, 2009: Updated to correspond with Pop3 Access for free Hotmail Accounts in select countries

Mar 14, 2009: Updated to correspond with Pop3 Access for all free Hotmail accounts ‘Worldwide’

July 20, 2009: Comments section added and purging of messages in web UI Deleted folder after 5 days.

March 12, 2010: Added ‘Note’ workaround if Windows Mail/Outlook interprets Hotmail type email address entry as a non supported Http email address

Oct 28, 2010: Updated reference links to content on Windows Live Solution Center

June 24, 2012: Updated defunct Windows Live links with current Hotmail Help and Support links

August 1, 2012: Updated to include applicability to Outlook.com accounts/email addresses

MSN Hotmail and Hotmail Plus POP3/SMTP Access

Summary:    This entry has been updated and superseded by the following blog entry covering updated and additional information.

Hotmail and MSN Accounts POP3/SMTP Access

https://liveunplugged.wordpress.com/2010/03/12/hotmail-and-msn-accounts-pop3smtp-access/

Revisions:

March 12, 2010: Original blog entry content removed and ‘Summary’ revised to reflect changes and availability of updated link/content

Changes for Accessing Hotmail using the WebDAV Protocol

Summary:

The WebDAV protocol will no longer be supported effective September 1, 2009   (Revised Jan. 2010 – See Revision section below)

On June 2, 2009 Microsoft announced changes impacting one of the methods to access Hotmail type accounts(Hotmail.com, Msn.com, Live.com) using ‘http’ servers/settings when using a local email client(e.g. Outlook, Outlook Express, Entourage).

Note: Accessing a Hotmail account in a browser(Internet Explorer) is not impacted by this change.

Only two remaining protocols DeltaSync and Pop3 will be available for accessing Hotmail type accounts(Hotmail.com, Live.com and Msn.com) in a local installed email client. IMAP is not an available option.

• DeltaSync uses a unique http server and will be the only http method available
• Pop3 an internet standard protocol uses the Live.com Servers (effective Feb 2009 all Hotmail accounts are capable of Pop3 access)

Windows Live Mail, the Outlook Connector(Outlook 2003, 2007, 2010) and MSN Explorer(9.6 or greater) are the only applications that support DeltaSync for Hotmail type accounts

Windows Live Mail, Outlook 2002/2003/2007/2010, Vista’s Windows Mail, Outlook Express and other third party email clients including the iPhone, iPod Touch, and Entourage all support Pop3 access 

More Information on WebDAV retirement:

The text of the full notice explaining additional details and options are available on the Windows Live Team and Hotmail Team blog

• Important info if you access Hotmail using Outlook, Outlook Express, or Entourage  (Windows Live Team)
• Continuing DAV protocol retirement  (Windows Live Hotmail Team)

Note: For accurate Pop3 configuration settings see the link below (Hotmail Accounts Pop3/Smtp Access Configuration)

What to do before Sept 1, 2009:

Option 1 –  HTTP/DeltaSync Access:

• Install Windows Live Mail(WLM) in XP, Vista or Windows 7 to use the DeltaSync server or
• Install the Outlook Connector(OLC) in Outlook 2003/2007/2010 to use the DeltaSync server or
• Install or upgrade to MSN 9.6 or later only if an MSN Premier customer and also preferring to use the provided MSN Explorer software

Option 2 – POP3 Access:

• Configure Windows Live Mail, Outlook 2002/2003/2007/2010, Vista’s Windows Mail, Outlook Express, or another third party email client for Pop3

Hotmail Accounts POP3/SMTP Access Configuration

Note:

• Backup any important messages to user created folders in your email client or copy to a Windows Explorer folder. Protect your data!!!!
• Option (1) above will retain the same synchronization that WebDAV provided with the Hotmail web interface permitting the web folders and messages to be mirrored locally(in WLM, the OLC, or MSN 9.6) and synchronized with the web interface(http://mail.live.com or http://hotmail.com) and available in both locations(local and web)
• Option (2) will not provide synchronization with the web interface(i.e. No mirrored folders or messages)
• Option (2) by design normally in most email clients will remove downloaded messages from the web server Inbox and place a copy in the Hotmail web interface’s Deleted folder (in a subfolder called POP) and retained until the POP option in the Hotmail web UI is configured to delete them thereby honoring your local client’s setting to ‘Not leave messages on the server’. To leave a message your Hotmail web UI Inbox ensure that your Pop3 email client is configured to leave messages on the server and configure the POP option in the Hotmail web UI to ‘ Do what my other program says’.

What will happen if still using WebDAV on Sept 1, 2009:

• Access to new email in your Hotmail Inbox and other folders will cease
• Attempting to synchronize with a non existent WebDAV server may or may not result in an inability to access any messages in your email client’s prior configured WebDAV Hotmail account and folders(no server, no download).

Http Servers Impacted that use the WebDAV protocol:

• Two primary servers have been in use with Outlook Express and Outlook for Hotmail.com, and Msn.com accounts when configured for sending/retrieving via the ‘to be discontinued’ WebDAV protocol

Account Type/Domain	Server Name
MSN.COM	http://oe.msn.msnmail.hotmail.com/cgi-bin/hmdata
HOTMAIL.COM	http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp

• Neither of above two(2) servers support the new DeltaSync protocol and both will cease to function

Known Email Client Software Impacted:

• Outlook Express and Outlook 2002 using WebDAV (neither support the newer DeltaSync protocol)
• Outlook 2003/2007 when using the WebDAV protocol without the Outlook Connector

Known Email Client Software/Method Not Impacted:

• Windows Live Mail using DeltaSync
• Windows Live Mail(WLM) using the WebDAV servers for Hotmail accounts(migrated, imported, or previously setup). This ‘safety-net’ only exists since a WLM sync will override the WebDAV http server setting and use the necessary DeltaSync http server (If this situation is present, it is recommended to reconfigure the server for DeltaSync)
• Windows Live Mail, Outlook 2002/2003/2007/2010, Vista Windows Mail, Outlook Express or other third party email client when using Pop3 settings
• Hotmail Web Interface (Live ID Login required)
• MSN Explorer 9.6 or greater (DeltaSync compliant)
• Outlook 2003/2007/2010 when using the current Outlook Connector
  • The Outlook Connector latest version is available on the Microsoft Download site.

Accounts Not Impacted:

1.Subscription/Fee-Based Accounts:

• MSn Pop3 Legacy accounts using the current POP3/SMTP server settings 
• Hotmail Plus! accounts when using the current POP3/SMTP server settings
• MSn Premium accounts using MSN Explorer software version 9.6 or later(DeltaSync Compliant)

Revisions:

April 18, 2008:  Original Published Date

April 27, 2008:  Added Sections on Known Email Clients(Impacted, Not Impacted),  Undetermined, and Accounts Not Impacted(item#2)

May 1, 2008:  Revised Section on Known Email Client Software/Method Not Impacted  for Outlook 2003/2007 when using the Outlook Connector

May 5, 2008:  WebDAV Disabling Delayed(see Windows Live Hotmail Technical Support Blog: Responding to Customer Feedback – Disabling DAV )

July 21, 2009: Updated Summary, More Info(recent notices), What ‘If’ scenarios, and corresponding links.

Oct 31, 2009: Updated to clarify that browser access(Internet Explorer) is not impacted by WebDAV deprecation

Jan 14. 2010:  Added item specifying Windows Live Mail ability to override existing WebDAV server setting and use DeltaSync server

Jan 29, 2012:  Updated to reflect Hotmail web UI (user interface) POP folder functionality; Updated download Links for the Outlook Hotmail Connector; Added Tags

Migrating Messages in Accounts from Outlook Express to Windows Live Mail

Summary:

How to resolve an unsuccessful migration of messages from Outlook Express(OE) by utilizing Windows Live Mail’s(WLM) Import function.

More Information:

Reference: Windows Live Email Support Blog, May-2-2008

• Messages/Accounts not successfully migrating from OE to WLM   (click to read)

Comments:

• The method in the provided article imports folders and messages from an existing account(s) in OE
• It does not import or create the source(OE) email account in the destination WLM client(see Note)
• Folders are imported to sub-folders in WLM’s Storage Folders\Imported Folders\Local Folders

• Messages present in OE’s default folders(Inbox, Drafts, Deleted Items, Outbox, Sent Items) will be present, if successful, in each respectively named folder
• User created folders in OE can also be successfully migrated(e.g. ‘Save’ folder in above picture)
• Note: Since the import does not import\create the email account in WLM, the user must manually create the email account(if not already present, and also any user created folders) or optionally import the email account using a previously created/saved OE *.iaf file as source.
• Once OE’s messages are imported they can remain in that location, or moved to a user created folder within an email account(WLM by design creates a folder structure for each unique email account), or moved to user created folder within the Storage folders.

Moving Messages from the Imported Storage Folder(s) Location to an Email Account:

1. 1. Drag the message from an imported folder to a sub-folder in an existing/created email account , or
   2. Select a message(or group of messages) in an imported folder, then right click to make the context menu’s options available(e.g. Move to folder or Copy to folder), then choose the option of your choice to move or copy the message to the desired location(i.e. a user created folder in the email account)

Note: The above methods for managing/archiving messages within an email account’s sub-folders in WLM might be perceived as consistent with archiving messages in in OE’s Local Folders, though this approach may not be the most secure place:

• Removing(deleting) an email account in WLM also removes/deletes all folders and messages from WLM’s message store on the hard drive, thus the following optional method(see below) is highly suggested.

Moving Messages from the Imported Storage Folder(s) Location to another user created Storage Folder:

1. 1. Drag the message from an imported folder to a folder/sub-folder in the Storage folder, or
   2. Select a message(or group of messages) in an imported folder, then right click to make the context menu’s options available(e.g. Move to folder or Copy to folder), then choose the option of your choice to move or copy the message to the desired location(i.e. a user created folder, e.g. SaveMail, in the Storage folders)

Note: Utilizing the Storage folder has the following benefits.

• The Storage Folders(and sub-folders) are not removed/deleted from WLM message store when an email account is deleted, thus inherently more secure
• A common location for archiving important messages external to an email account’s default folders(i.e. Inbox, Drafts, Sent, etc)
• Message rules for Pop3 email accounts can also move messages to this location
• Easier to backup important archived messages instead of individual email accounts(e.g. The SaveMail folder and its’ three sub-folders)

Revisions:

May 3, 2008: Original Published Date

May 24, 2008: Windows Live Tags added

Windows Live Tags: Mail, Outlook Express, How-To, accounts, importing, drag and drop, clubhouse

WebDAV Protocol Deprecation Delayed – Status Update

Notice:

1. The entry below(‘Summary and thereafter’) will become obsolete as will WebDAV access effective Sept 1, 2009.  On June 2, 2009 Microsoft announced that WebDAV would finally cease to function(effective Sept 1, 2009).
2. For options that should be done prior to the Sept 1, 2009 WebDAV retirement see –> Changes for Accessing Hotmail using the WebDAV Protocol
3. Microsoft notifications can be found here

“Important info if you access Hotmail using Outlook, Outlook Express, or Entourage”

and

 “Continuing DAV protocol retirement”  

• You may also have received notification via an email if your Hotmail account(hotmail.com or msn.com) was using the WebDAV protocol.

 

Summary:   The content below is only being made available for archival purposes.

• Microsoft announces delay/postponement of previously scheduled transition deadline(June 30th, 2008) for accessing Hotmail accounts using the WebDAV protocol in Outlook Express and Outlook(03/07)

 More Information:

Compliments of the Windows Live Mail Support Team on May 5th, 2008

Windows Live Hotmail Technical Support Blog: Responding to Customer Feedback – Disabling DAV

Note: The above notification(May 5th, 2008) postpones this prior notice(April 17th) about disabling the WebDAV protocol

• Microsoft Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Express

Comments:

Http servers(see below) supporting the WebDAV protocol in Outlook Express and Outlook(2003/2007) for Hotmail.com and Msn.com accounts when configured for sending/retrieving will continue to function after June 30th, 2008 and until notified otherwise.

 

Http Servers Capable of Accessing the WebDAV protocol

Account Type/Domain	Server Name
MSN.COM	http://oe.msn.msnmail.hotmail.com/cgi-bin/hmdata
HOTMAIL.COM	http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp

 

Revisions:

May 5, 2008:  Original Published Date

May 8, 2008:  Added Link on original notification(now delayed) regarding disabling WebDAV protocol 

May 24, 2008:  Windows Live Tags added

July 21, 2009: Updated to reflect (a) WebDAV retirement/deprecation effective Sept 1, 2009 and (b) blog entry previous content obsolescence

Windows Live Tags: Hotmail, Mail, Outlook Express, Outlook, How-To, accounts, clubhouse